Joyfulfader - Quite a feeling isn't it, to be on the other side of the door? I like your choice of topix for their next call 'loving shunning' - sounds like a country song. I always talk to them - they don't know I am DF'd so it goes along pleasantly as can be - I disagree in the nicest way possible, and state my views politely and honestly, everbody parts happy.
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i got to say "i'm not interested"
by joyfulfader in2 sisters came to the door and since i dont live in the territory they dont know me and i got to say "i'm not interested" for the first time :).
it felt awesome.
didnt have a chance to engage in conversation as i was quite busy but it was a nice first for me..
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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Chaserious - Why do you think we who are DFd are powerless? We, ALL of the DFd, and all those who have EVER been DAd - are the very people, the living witnesses who can prove that, the WTS does indeed incite ALL their members, including our own close family members to discriminate, without known cause, against us. WE the DF'd and DA'd are also the living witnesses and proof of the mental and psycological damage that is unavoidable under the WTs extreme, coercive, systematic, alienation . I would imagine thousands, would happily volunteer to testify to these as legal claims if given a chance. Hopefully, Band On The Run, or some other legal eagles will join in here.
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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Hermano - The WT is far from invincible! The Baby-boomer generation, like me, are all going to be 'shuffling off' in the next 20 years so that's a(huge) demographic, they will lose without fail. Never again will converts flood in like we did- so easily lured from christendom. Boomers disappearing numbers (in Canada especially) can only be augmented by immigration. Our multi-culturalist policies for these 'new Canadians' will work against the WT bigtime. With REAl legal freedom to continue practicong their own faiths, there won't be the urgency there once was to join a foriegn church as an aid to assimilate. If we can mount an embarassing legal challenge to their one and ONLY power - to divide families - the exodus will begin unabated, with no further intervention required.
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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Lost Generation Sorry - for the crumby format of these replys, but my reply box doesn't have the tools bar today? I wrote it with paragraphs and spacing - but it just come sout as a block of print. Maybe someone can help?
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Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.
by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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Lost Generation We are not dealing with the entire world - only where JWs are most annoying -USA, Canada, Uk and Euope. That alone changes the dynamics drasticaly - everybody here knows witnesses, likely view them as a cult, but don't know WHY. Certainly no one knew Rosa Parks, and hopefullymaybe even a majority didn't even care where she sat on the bus back then -but when the REAL ISSUE got to court- American history changed! Dignity and freedoms were for every citizen not just those who accidentally had pale pastey white skin. As was noted by Chaserious above we (as individualls) are free to shun whom we wish, and no doubt Ms.Parks was still the brunt of much discriminatory thoughlessness- BUT - it became illegal for anyone (or group) to incite, foment or sanction such. It seems to me that the WTS does exactly this - how else would it be possible that ordinary citizens are 99% acceptable to 99% 0f the general population, yet be 100% discriminated against by the remaining 1%- ALL of them JWs, the majority who have never known those they shun? This is the issue not the role numbers of the WT. The purpose should be to challenge and hopefully diminish the WTs power to intimidate members into submission or to punish people to their deaths. I think that the anullment of baptisms, and the proving of their coersion of members(regarding DF/DA) are the key issues
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Is DISMISSING others a really really BAD habit?
by Terry inif the facts are on our side we simply present those facts and allow the evidence to speak for itself.. however, if we are short on facts--what then?.
more and more i detect a trend among those who publicly disagree: they simply dismiss others without resorting to facts.. one's opponent in an opinion war is labeled as "unworthy" of being listened to.
dismissed, shunned, shut down and waved away!.
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Hello Terry - I always enjoy your (thinking out loud) threads. I can't imagine deleting any of those 52 as virtuous attributes. While some may appear to be somewhat unnecessary, or contradictory, I think that to cope with all the diverse situations and dilemas of life 'virtuously¡, we would need them all and quite often at that. Aggression isn't thought of as particularly virtuous, but in rare circumstances, it is the only viable response. Virtues seem the antidote for traits universally repugnant in ourselves or others, arrogance, cowardice,self righteousness, narcissism, ridgidity, treachery ....
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Is There A Part Of You Still Left In The Organization?
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inevery soldier entering the war zone leaves behind a little piece of themself.
the gulf war is estimated to cost the v.a.
billions of dollars in disability because of the affects the war has had on these young and middle age soldiers.
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Anyone who has kids or grandkids still in has a BIG and painfull part still in .
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Hello from North Dakota
by ndmom73 ini am fairly new here.
i came across this site a few years ago and tried to join but i wasn't approved as a member for whatever reason.
well, recently i came across this site again and decided to reapply to be a member and it was approved.
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Lisa Welcome! Welcome! Welcome! I was touched by your experience as a young one - it mirrors my own childrens youth to a Tee - I even have a grand-daughter who thanks her mother repeatedly for not raising her a JW, like her cousins. You are among friends now, so ahre and enjoy.
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QR codes: a way to stop APOSTATES !!!
by raymond frantz ininteresting meeting today.the do had the last talk and he mentioned a couple of things i have not heard before :.
1) the new lighter magazines are designed in a way to attract people to our website .
2)the ministry will change to incoprorate preacing in town centres and and with stands as in manhattan and certain brothers will be allocated to do this .so it is done now in a big scale ,organised.. 3)the qr codes at the back of the magazines are there for smart phone users to guide them directly to jw.org ,unlike bad old internet via laptops and pc's that you have to look for the website on google and sometimes end up in enemy websites that look like our website but are spreading lies about jw's (he said exactly that!
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Just a tech question - what are the little coloured geometric things between a posters name and the thread title on JWN?
People in a laundromat, etc. have idle time to kill - the codes on stickers seem like an efficient way to redirect their interest.
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by okage ini feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .
to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.
but that's not our goal.
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Chaserious-
Canada, USA, Oz and Europe are the WTs bread basket - also the most likely populations to care about social change- because they are used to people fighting for (and being granted) rights and freedoms.
JWs are a rare target - they are one of the English worlds smallest, yet most recognisable and most disliked religions.
If the public who already dislikes being annoyed by them, were to even remotely grasp the 'secret' social damage, depression,and suicide that results from cults that shun, I'm certain there would grow a natural curiousity about any movement or campaign to demand changes.
You have acknowledged that we easily field thousands, and if class action were ever a posibility- millions could be involved (everyone who is shunned and damaged by their policies- and who isn't?